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| carlos March 12th 2003 09:43:07 | comment on "Is the Brain as a Computer?"( Posts: 4; New Posts: 4 ) [ See: ComDig 2003.10 ]Turing machines are a mathematical MODEL... it is not correct to ask wether the brain IS a Turing machine, but wether a Turing machine can model the brain... the answer for me, is "yes, in theory"... In practice, well, PC's *are* not even proper Turing machines... This is, there are "computable" numbers which are long enough not to be able to be computed in practice, and "hypercomputable" functions which we can obtain if we cheat a bit (with an "oracle")... Wether another computational model will describe the brain better, I believe so, because Turing machines can do parallel processing but it costs a lot... But I don't believe that any model, as good as it might be, might produce practical computers similar to the brain (I believe Sejnowski said something similar concerning quantum computers?) And even if you had the computational power (as Minsky claims 1000 bucks PC's do), how to program it???? Carlos |
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| Nelsonfernando July 1st 2003 22:14:45 ![]() |
NEW Sure is hard to see ... Its hard to belive in the possibylity of a computer whit the same "powers" of a human brain but , yes the human brain IS a machine (biological) and is programed in DNA thats for sure . The big problem is that we can´t read a thing in DNA until now ...maybe when we undertand the words spoken in a nucleic acid ,a computer whit capabylites of a brain will be |
| matus July 8th 2003 21:18:36 ![]() |
NEW RE: comment onWell, that‘ s what he tries to describe (Minsky) in his book, The Society of Mind, I think. .. Anyway, interesting topic. I am just reading a SF book by Greg Egan, Permutation city, where in some near future people will revive a model-of-a-brain gained from detailed brain scan, so that people’s “copies” can gain a sort of immortality after their biological original is dead. The point is, the model is not generated from a molecular DNA or even atomic basis (obeying certain classes of cellular automaton rules to unfold higher levels of organization), the scan goes “only” to the level of individual neurons and the strength of the interconnected synapses (not even that, it can be proven that some approximation to the level of neuronal regions can statistically provide a right output). Therefore, if you want to have a model-of-a-brain running on a computer, the challenge is to interpret functions of the specialized neuronal regions and construct algorithms that run it in a brain-like model. As if a 1000 $ computer can run such an algorithm over such a huge and complex neuronal structure? My answer is yes, possibly, but prolly with a significant time lag for a copy leaving a one minute subjective time for a copy pass several days of our biological brains “real time” processing the data. And in this I have replied to the question if a computer using a Turing machine model can emulate such a model. Yes, since, I believe it has been proven that a Turing machine is a universal computer i.e. it can produce a behaviour that is in a sence arbitraly complex (S. Wolfram et.al). All universal computer models (including Wolfram’s universal cellular automaton) should have this property. It is only a matter of instructions and language used of how the rules to produce desired behavior are executed on such a universal system. |
| carlos July 11th 2003 18:01:03 ![]() |
NEW RE: comment onHi Matus, |